. So Id just as soon stop looking at him as a suspect. Was he set up to take the fall? The Delphi hiking murders - Abigail Williams and Liberty German I wonder if that person is confusing the crime scene photos with the Iowa girls. It has been said there were dolls and stuffed animals around the girls. Its not clear how? What are those supposed Delphi Murders leaked text messages about? John Miller, 63, was arrested in 2018 for the 1988 cold-case rape and murder of 8-year-old April Tinsley. Hes bored and has nothing to do, so we recruited him to sleuth for us. Also if Kegans not involved, then neither is the father. If comments start getting out of hand please feel free to report, though. Little if any good information comes out of these places. Today a true-crime podcast released documents that shed new light on the unsolved crime. As if her murder itself wasn't mysterious enough, the case would see twists, turns, and dead ends along with mysteries within the mystery. But many questions still remain around the murders of Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14. People were getting very into it, but I really saw nothing. This sub is for discussion of the case that's come to be known as the Delphi Murders. We dont know about you all, but when we go visit our friends, we generally dont park a quarter mile away and hike in. The main suspect is brazen, openly admits to being a pedophile, goes to the victims graves and leaves flowers, and visits the victims families to offer solace for their losses. See the sort of games these guys play? 4-lane highway. And my ban appeal didnt work either. That can only mean one thing. But Garrett said he doesn't understand how it took so long for an arrest. What it does do, however, is make LE appear to be slightly less incompetent for calling off that search if Abby and Libby were confirmed to have been deceased before the search even started. He is wearing a deer kit, which contains five different types of knives. I think what you meant to say is that the Supreme Court ruled that if the police lie to a suspect during an interrogation, his eventual admission of guilt can be considered by the jury. A large amount of blood was lost by the victims at the crime scene, an agent wrote in the warrant. Cause of death of one girl was a deep cut to the throat. Were they are waiting for God Himself to come bring the keys? Indiana police looked into Bruce in connection to the Delphi murders, but no charges have been handed down. He doesnt want to get uncovered revealing official case documents to the media. Well, the police have told us that they have a main suspect in this case, so at least I am just going to go with the cops on this one. And when they said BG was actually better described as a combination of both sketches, they were correct too. Items known to be carried or worn by BG at the time of crime: Loaded handgun in right jacket pocket, type unknown, possibly a rare .40mm collectors item. Ive followed your articles over the past four years and find your insight quite interesting! Did he eat? Known facts about the personal life of the main suspect, Mr. X.: Residence history: Unknown for first 18 years, possibly Illinois. We just sent a couple of our investigators out to Delphi and surrounding towns. If it was an adult male, that changes things considerably. At 13 and 14 the cycles are messed up bad. What did Ron Logan have to say about the BG photo? Face is in quotes because it's likely my mind just making a rational picture out of sticks and tree trunks. So you try to make it look like theres an accident. Mr. X is a very close friend of Mr. M. Mr. M was a 20 year old man who impregnated one of the girls. What are they doing to move this forward? Photo by LIBBY GERMAN / FACEBOOK Occupation: Handicrafter making wooden signs. Robert, have you heard that Mr X had a deer blind on the Mears property? Kelsi German has been cleared. The guy that is making those videos about Mr X, and the guy by the name of Derek godsey. To get that, he said one of two things happens: 1.) Why would they NOT want to look for those types of things in a child murder with likely sa involved? Horrible. We currently feel that this is the best explanation of the facts. Its $20. R/DelphiMurders is completely useless due to their no rumors or speculation rules, which means that you can only discuss what is proven about the case, which after four years, is just about nothing. They were folded on her chest. Shout out to anyone else who feels the same. The only places he differs is where he thinks that the police are wrong! His wife has taken to social media lately, pleading with people to stop harassing them and insisting he had nothing to do with this crime. Which begs the question, if Mr. X is BG, how did he come to acquire a pair of Indiana Packers boots, which is what he appears to be wearing during his crime? The profile was used from 2016 to 2017 on platforms including Snapchat and Instagram and used photos of a known male model, portraying him as being extremely wealthy and owning numerous sports cars. "No, that's not her nor Libby," he wrote in his text response. If anyone else is involved they know who it is. Everything We Know About The Unsolved Delphi Murders. 4) He was married many years prior. I see hot, humid conditions. A previous report noted, in stunning news, that the killer had known Libby for 3-4 months before the murders via social media. The incident was nicknamed the "Snapchat Murders" after Abby took a photo of Libby at around 2:17 p.m. and put it on social media. Crime scene photos leaked? : r/LibbyandAbby - reddit Hello, i live in cedar rapids , ia. Delphi case: New docs say crime scene was tampered with - WRTV I could know that some guy was a serial killer with 10 victims, and I dont have to go to the police. That is all it can possibly be. The catfishing situation is not what we think. I DO think that if there is evidence of staging that insinuates a methodology , therefore suggests it could be a serial killer. So I held off. Seeing as there were multiple signatures left at the scene, I'm inclined to believe the killer(s) both posed the bodies and staged the crime scene. And he has an accomplice, a much younger man. Big KAK getting hungry and Dad is no longer speaking to him. Suspect in Delphi murders on police radar since the killings The killings were later nicknamed the Snapchat Murders after Abby took a photo of Libby at around 2:17 p.m. and put it on social media. 6) He has a family member thats buried in the cemetery near the Monon Bridge. Theres something different about this casing, it stood out to me. Employed at two factories in nearby towns as a machine operator in recent years. It is an open case so anything else you want to know look and maybe you will find. She was emphatic about that. My background is nowhere near close to any qualifications for this. One stepson, age 21 with the same first and last names. Libbys phone did not record him for 43 seconds. The motive is apparently lust murder motivated by sexual sadism combined with psychopathy, the classic formulation almost all serial killers have. The girls took photos while strolling across the bridge, but as time passed and their family didnt hear from them, police were called for assistance. There are 244 comments there. The FBI can also be used to determine whether there was a danger to the community and the impact of it on the community. Remember how all these Youtubers trashed Leigh Kerr? They hiked on to the the abandoned and somewhat dangerous Monon High rail Bridge, over Deer Creek. LE actually believes BG was 49-50 years old when he committed the crime. The rarity of "unusual" [corrected] dispositions of victim bodies Updated: 17:37 ET, Nov 29 2022 A BULLET found near the bodies of murdered teens Libby German and Abigail Williams tied suspect Richard Allen to the horrific killings, according to new court documents. Allen "has been consistent" in police interviews over the years, former FBI agent and ABC News contributor Brad Garrett said. These photos were posted years ago by Robert Lindsey. But I see the home is raised. Specifically, we are getting much of the the following information straight from the cops themselves. We park right at the front door. He just wanted dirty pictures. Thats very embarrassing. Flowers sit by a bridge near Delphi, Ind. Article: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15568704. That makes no sense anyways, kill 2 little girls because of a "grudge",theoretically speaking. How bout taking it to heed, everyone? The investigators do believe that the suspect either lives or works in Delphi, Ind. BG was dressed in clothes similar to what Ron wore, and he took the girls to Rons land and killed them there. Abby was the one that had the boyfriend. This grainy image was taken on Libbys phone on the trail the day the girls went missing. That could be why they referred to BG as a creepy guy and still following us. Otherwise, and putting myself in their situation, if I saw someone at a distance on the bridge, I would have thought it was just another hiker and would not have been concerned that he was still following me. Yes, a lot of our very early information turned out wrong, but now that we have studied the case much more clearly, our view of the case is getting a lot more accurate as we are able to rule in or out various rumors and hypotheses. Also, the props were put at the scene later too, perhaps after the girls were killed. Empiricism is a thing. Recently moved to a small city nearby, possibly due to the heat of being a suspect in the crime. There are 3 most common reasons; to thwart the investigation, for the shock effect on the finder and the investigators of the crime scene, or for perverted pleasure of the perpetrator. A pair of binoculars. New Delphi suspect sketch released on 4/22/19. That piece of information being leaked and generally accepted by the public doesnt do a damn thing to preserve the integrity of the investigation.. Allen has been booked into jail, but no details of any charges made against him have been shared. If its who I think it is, you can tell her I said that. Shock value towards anyone who finds the bodies and perverted pleasure seem like they can be intertwined. The Reddit sites are pretty useless too, mostly because most posters regard the best sources on this crime as false. And I appear quite harmless, too. 21:06 GMT 30 Oct 2022 I dont care what anybodys age is. I didnt mean to imply that, sorry. The main suspects DNA is found in the forest around the crime scene. We now have search party members who saw the crime scene; official case documents; the testimony of Leigh Kerr, a man who claims to have seen official case documents; accurate crime scene photos; and the best LE sources we have ever had. A handgun, in order to do ballistics tests on it. I am friends with one of the parents and to my knowledge, no one has been told if this was sexual or not, only people have speculated. Want me to put it up anyway? Im confused. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9738939/Lori-Vallow-charged-conspiracy-commit-murder-death-fourth-husband-Arizona.html?fbclid=IwAR2haqAKhF0vqWzP2aKiNyDy14kIG7SCjPxtWVXndA3Dt49wvD5xXRByYT8. Allen was arrested on Friday in connection to the murders - the first big break in the case. He could offend today in say, Ohio and offend in Illinois and be in his journey back home to commit more offenses. However, there was one little problem. This is why you dont hear LE openly accusing people of committing serious crimes like homicide unless they have enough evidence to take them to trial. . There was posing. One question: I havent seen this anywhere but have the police questioned Mr. X about the murders? This whole case just reeks of something stinky every which way you turn. The bodies had been staged and the killing would likely have caused the killer to get . Detectives continue to ask anyone who may have had contact with the screen name anthony_shots to contact law enforcement at abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.comor 765-822-3535. He could have worn those boots over his jeans, and he wouldnt have gotten wet. Person of Interest is a much higher standard than unnamed suspect, and he hasnt even risen to that level yet. when you send someone a file, you retain a copy for yourself. And two girls were abducted there also. I don't see much in these, but there is another one that def looks like a body is posed, but the jury's out. R/LibbyandAbby does allow rumors and speculations, so at least they get some good posts and posters, while the overall mood is still a downer. Friends with Ron Logan on whose property the crime occurred. We think people need to stop talking about DNA. See? The warrant, obtained by the Murder Sheet podcast and released to Indianapolis FOX59, offered no further detail on what the souvenir was, although it did say that 'the rest of [the girls'] clothing was recovered,' implying that the killer had taken something they'd been wearing. They always came home. By Incidentally, we now have a retired homicide detective working as part of our team. He uses all kinds of weird aliases. Ill leave it at that. She wanted to meet up with him. At the very least he could have made misleading statements. Dime a dozen. Kelsi German: Sister of Libby. The documents state that the wound to one of the girls was so brutal that the blood splatter would have been dramatic, drenching the killers clothes in blood. Meanwhile, Kegan Kline, an Indiana man accused of child exploitation and child pornography, says police told him he was the last person to communicate with one of the girls. A 50-year-old suspect, identified as Richard Allen, has been arrested at the Carroll County Jail in connection with the murders of Abigail Williams and Libby German, whose bodies were found near the Delphi Historic Trail shortly after being reported missing in February . Not long afterwards, the pink stripe was removed from the truck, witnesses say. Always. DELPHI, Ind. Hobbies: Raising goats, riding and fixing up Harley-Davidson motorcycles, very avid deer hunter, handicrafting wooden signs. KAK and his Dad. Sex workers talk, rumours saved a lot of workers in Vancouver during Picktons reign of terror. Then he needed 2-3 months of therapy to work through this traumatic experience. How do they know he sent audio/video to one of the girls phones? And I cant wait to see what they get from RL about Mr. X. Investigators also claim Allen forced Abby and Libby down the hill to the spot where they were killed, according to the document. I have no idea either way, but its just something that has bothered me because I dont see him being brought up nearly as much as some others who have had little to no connection to this case. Im actually a rather shy, introverted, cautious, and extremely polite person who is terrified of making people mad, getting called creepy, offending people, etc. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. 2/13, 2:13, 2-13. I I heard the girls say repeatedly, Its Elementary Watson, and 2 plus 2 equals 4. A press conference is expected Monday morning. The few times Ive brought him up myself (this is really on Reddit) I have been ripped apart for my apparent stupidity. His full name is Richard Matthew Allen. Wheres the rest of it? Hasnt he suffered enough? That makes no sense. FBI agent: Bodies 'moved and staged' in Delphi murders, suspect took These are simply unverified rumors. We dont just look at the Delphi case here. It was posted to Facebook by Allen's wife Kathy, 50, in 2018 - just over a year after the girls disappeared in February 2017, although it's unclear when the photo was taken. The only case I am familiar with is the Bittaker-Norris Murders in Southern California. His home was searched and he was arrested shortly after the killings, but he was released and never charged. Eerie photos capture teens' death march 'Down the hill' - news 2-13 again. But that too could have been either misleading or true. A sheet with a smiley face on it at the crime scene, possibly hung from a tree. Alex Oliveira For Dailymail.Com The LE source didnt work on the case. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Delphi murders: Police investigating fake model profile who contacted He even brought his phone in and took it apart to reveal the GPS device in it so they could look at it. If I were LE, I would take a long, hard look at Rick Brown in Delphi, Indiana. Please refresh the page or navigate to another page on the site to be automatically logged inPlease refresh your browser to be logged in, Shocking new details have come to light about the murders of best friends Libby German, 14, and Abby Williams, 13, in a search warrant obtained by podcast The Murder Sheet and shared with The Independent, Find your bookmarks in your Independent Premium section, under my profile, This grainy image was taken on Libbys phone on the trail the day the girls went missing. He has pleaded not guilty to the charges. Hi there, have just come across your work and am interested in joining the private group. If any of you want to sift through there and find some interesting stuff and post it here, please feel free to go for it. Yes, they did record audio of themselves torturing those girls. Its very rare for killers to take photos or videos of their crimes. Frequently hunted deer on Rons land. This would explain how he could control two teens from running away as well as using a fake gun and badge. Of course they would look for that. Delphi Murders: 5 Years Later, Victim's Sister Clinging to Hope That "In a small town, in a place where there's a small amount of traffic on this abandoned railroad bridge your suspect pool is fairly small," Garrett said, so police likely concentrated their investigation on Delphi and the surrounding communities. Yes, they would be looking for it, because if you know computers etc. Bottom line is our theories now are dramatically more accurate than the 85% error rate we had earlier. It says they are looking for photos, videos, cameras, videocameras, film, etc. For more information, please see our He was very fearful and it really hit him hard how he got treated on that Reddit sub. We can look into any case we want! Mr Xs alibi is it true that the person who is now deceased is a police officer who committed suicide? Sure hes a greedy businessman, but I doubt if hes that greedy. Anything that shows they crossed the creek that evening. There are neighbors separated by acreage. Not quite sainthood, but getting there. Must be a lot of people with that name. Im sure there are instances where its been used as an effective tactic in helping to solve crimes. Evidence in the Delphi, Indiana, double murder case was unsealed by a county court on Tuesday, revealing key new details, including that suspect Richard Allen's gun was linked to the crime scene. This was a sex crime, a sex homicide. I have the images but Im not sure they are accurate. A few people were claiming it was Abby leaned against a tree with her face covered in blood, claw marks on the ground, and a pool of blood a few feet away. These crimes are often a great big game to these guys, and they often try to insert clever little coincidences into their crimes, probably just to freak people out and make themselves seem diabolically clever, evil geniuses.

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